In an influential essay called “The Ethics of Belief” the 19th century mathematician W. K. Clifford proclaimed the following epistemic rule. “It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything without sufficient evidence.”
Sometimes non-believers appeal to Clifford’s rule during arguments with believers, claiming that the burden of proof falls on believers. This troubles some believers who are philosophical novices, though it should not. For Clifford’s rule is doubly flawed.
First, as many philosophers have noted, Clifford’s rule would cast doubt on many beliefs few seriously question, among them, that other people have minds or that the world continues to exist while one sleeps.
Second, Clifford’s rule is self-defeating. He claims that it is wrong to believe anything upon insufficient evidence, yet he provides *no* evidence for the rule itself. By his own standard, Clifford must judge anyone who accepts his rule as wrong!
Given that, believers may, in Macbeth’s phrase, “beat backward home” appeals to “Clifford’s rule” (-under whatever name it might travel). Conversely, those who doubt the existence of God and wish to argue that it is unreasonable should abandon appeals to Clifford’s rule (because of its obvious flaws) and find another way to challenge theists.
[Cross-posted in Atheists, Christian Talk, Christianity Unplugged, Crossroads of Religion, and The Lion’s Den]
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Re: The trouble with Clifford
Thu, October 18, 2007 - 10:46 PMWhat kind of Evidence is the issue. Paul suggested that we base our faith in the power of God. I certainly believe I have sufficient proof of Gods existence, only, its subjective evidence not objective. Also those that invoke Cliffords rule, also fail to notice that that it applies to any belief such as the belief that there is no God. This claim needs to be justified just as the inverse of it does. One should not simple accept the negative to a claim, because of a lack of proof. Using reason and objective proof alone, one can only say that they dont know if God exists believing otherwise requires faith. Both Theist and Atheist make a claim they cant support objectively. Modern Atheist try to escape this by suggesting that Atheism is the absence of belief in God rather then the denial of Gods existence, only its not the case, if one has an absence of belief, one has an open mind or no conclusion. An agnostic is one who has an absence of belief, Most Atheist I have spoken with are convinced that God does not exist. that is presence of belief base on faith as they can not objectively proof their position any better then the theist.
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Re: The trouble with Clifford
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 5:01 AMHow bland to have Clifford's view...... then you couldn't believe there will be a cure for cancer, you couldn't have hopes or dreams. Science, itself, is always changing (maybe he forgot that??). :o) I can hear his wife saying (if he had one): "I don't believe you love me. There isn't sufficient evidence." lol -
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Re: The trouble with Clifford
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 8:09 AM>>>>>I can hear his wife saying (if he had one): "I don't believe you love me. There isn't sufficient evidence." lol <<<<<
That cracked me up!
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Re: The trouble with Clifford
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 7:20 AM“It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything without sufficient evidence.”
But i have sufficient evidence. -
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Re: The trouble with Clifford
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 8:08 AM>>>>>>>“It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything without sufficient evidence.”
But i have sufficient evidence. <<<<<<
How could you? Philosophers have yet to hit on a compelling argument for the proposition that we are justified in believing other people have minds. None of the philosophers *working* on this problem deny that other people have minds; rather, they're troubled by their inability to philosophically justify a belief that they cannot seriously doubt. There are many such "basic" beliefs. -
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Re: The trouble with Clifford
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 11:03 AM"How could you?"
How could I not believe? Not after what God has done for me.
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Re: The trouble with Clifford
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 8:45 AMalso.... "evidence"...... can be subjective. What one person sees as evidence, another may not. Too many holes in Clifford's statement.
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Re: The trouble with Clifford
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 11:10 AMBlessed are those who have seen and believe but even more blessed are those who have not seen and believe. Our salvation is based on faith. -
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Re: The trouble with Clifford
Sat, October 20, 2007 - 8:11 AM>>>>>>Blessed are those who have seen and believe but even more blessed are those who have not seen and believe. Our salvation is based on faith. <<<<<<
One may hold this view and *still* maintain that it is important to rebuff Clifford, for his position does not come up only in questions about God.
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Re: The trouble with Clifford
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:52 PMClifford should cause an atheist more problems than a Christian. How can an atheist ever have sufficient proof that there is no god? Unless the atheist comes up with a convincing philosophical argument, they have no right to their atheism. Some atheists think they have such arguments, but I find them less convincing than philosophical arguments the other way. But an atheist has no possibility of any experiential or historical proof of the non-existence of any god. It's hard to impossible to prove a negative, other than in mathematical or philosophical terms. If you want to prove there are no purple elephants with pink spots, you have to look every possible place, otherwise there might still be one around the next corner.
Agnostics will get along OK with Clifford.